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Written by Robert Greenyer on 03 October 2023.

Below you will find the live open document spearheaded by Nykyta Vovk for the replication attempt of Malcolm Bendall's "Thunderstorm" device.

Any comments are welcome, it looks like a promising technology which may provide part of the answer to CO₂ and other emissions. Bob Greenyer is helping with analysis of samples from reactors and understanding the process and potential means of optimisation.

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0 #43 dak 2024-11-05 13:56

As mentioned in several comments, this looks like a lean burn engine. They increase fuel mileage at the expense of NOx emissions. That is why in the US we run cars fuel rich some portion of the time cycling it and pay to remove the CO.
In any case, have you turned off the electrical spark/light and observed the oxygen concentration? The spark will produce ozone and NOx, which will aid in combustion. However, unless it is very intense, these additions will be minimal. If it were intense, the CO2 emitted from the electricity generation at a power station would outweigh any environmental impact on the generator.
As to CO, there are cheap electrical devices available for its measurement. See Digikey for examples. You can run them trivially with an Adrinio. A GC requires a PLOT column, which cost ~$1K and a TCD detector. You can run it on argon, but He is preferred (and very costly now) - we pay $350/cylinder and that is wholesale.

In any case, the data is not all there to get very excited as it is not clear what problem is being addressed.

0 #42 Kenney 2024-09-17 14:25

User Kap have you begun assembling? Would love to see your project also have some metal working skills and general knowledge of handyman skills was a usaf aircraft mechanic

+8 #41 Kap 2024-08-04 00:59

I am BEYOND interested and have already purchased the materials required to replicate the device. I have a CNC mill machine, lathe, welder, and a host of other tools that can be used for rapid prototyping. I have the resources and abilities and sincerely want to see this become a reality. I'm in Texas by the way. Please let me know how I can help.

+2 #40 Robert Greenyer 2024-06-30 13:19

"I wish Malcolm Bendall and his team, you and your team all the best "

Thankyou

+2 #39 Jon Pall Vilhelmsson 2024-06-30 13:00

I wish Malcolm Bendall and his team, you and your team all the best :-)

:-)

Quoting Robert Greenyer:

Please do not confuse us as being part of "Malcolm Bendall's team". The MFMP only chose, as independent parties, to get involved, when we saw what we recognised as coherent matter waves coming out of and back into a previously ran TSG that was caught on video. This was recognised as a signature of Ball Lightning and their topological monopoles that we had seen in our own research. Given that there are potentially unknown health and safety implications with these and we are involved in studying them, we felt compelled to investigate. Moreover, Ball Lightning has been stated as enabling transmutation of elements by the likes of Ken Shoulders and Dr. Takaaki Matsumoto.

I predicted if it was indeed these things, then this would have caused the production of the signature iron rich crenellated microspheres. Theses were then subsequently found on the inside of the large previously run TSG.

This was our focus, the not obvious or well known and that which we are possibly uniquely capable of predicting which turned out to be true. That being said, we would like to do a number of controls on old exhaust pipes, though the coherent matter/flux loops have not been observed in ordinary exhausts for over 100 years.

We will expand upon other things we have found and implications, we are crowd funded and reliant mostly on volunteer time to achieve our output, producing a 50 page report on stuff that there are millions of people more qualified to do would be a pointless task for us.

Quoting Jon Pall Vilhelmsson:
[quote name="Robert Greenyer"]Yes, all of these things are well known and worth keeping in mind.
Thanks Bob for a prompt reply I've been watching the Cosmic summit 24 online. It's a lot of information to digest and Plasmoids are very interesting.
If these "well known things" that I and others are pointing out aren't addressed in a 50 page report then the credibility goes out the window. I understand it's a work in progress. I wish Malcolm Bendall, you and the whole team all the best.
PS: I'm a 57 years old graphics professional with a BA in small business management, a diploma in physics and a former motorcycle mechanic. If I can see those problems presented then other professionals will too...

0 #38 Robert Greenyer 2024-06-30 12:47

Please do not confuse us as being part of "Malcolm Bendall's team". The MFMP only chose, as independent parties, to get involved, when we saw what we recognised as coherent matter waves coming out of and back into a previously ran TSG that was caught on video. This was recognised as a signature of Ball Lightning and their topological monopoles that we had seen in our own research. Given that there are potentially unknown health and safety implications with these and we are involved in studying them, we felt compelled to investigate. Moreover, Ball Lightning has been stated as enabling transmutation of elements by the likes of Ken Shoulders and Dr. Takaaki Matsumoto.

I predicted if it was indeed these things, then this would have caused the production of the signature iron rich crenellated microspheres. Theses were then subsequently found on the inside of the large previously run TSG.

This was our focus, the not obvious or well known and that which we are possibly uniquely capable of predicting which turned out to be true. That being said, we would like to do a number of controls on old exhaust pipes, though the coherent matter/flux loops have not been observed in ordinary exhausts for over 100 years.

We will expand upon other things we have found and implications, we are crowd funded and reliant mostly on volunteer time to achieve our output, producing a 50 page report on stuff that there are millions of people more qualified to do would be a pointless task for us.

Quoting Jon Pall Vilhelmsson:

[quote name="Robert Greenyer"]Yes, all of these things are well known and worth keeping in mind.
Thanks Bob for a prompt reply I've been watching the Cosmic summit 24 online. It's a lot of information to digest and Plasmoids are very interesting.
If these "well known things" that I and others are pointing out aren't addressed in a 50 page report then the credibility goes out the window. I understand it's a work in progress. I wish Malcolm Bendall, you and the whole team all the best.
PS: I'm a 57 years old graphics professional with a BA in small business management, a diploma in physics and a former motorcycle mechanic. If I can see those problems presented then other professionals will too...

+1 #37 Jon Pall Vilhelmsson 2024-06-30 12:22

[quote name="Robert Greenyer"]Yes, all of these things are well known and worth keeping in mind.
Thanks Bob for a prompt reply :-)

:-)

I've been watching the Cosmic summit 24 online. It's a lot of information to digest and Plasmoids are very interesting.
If these "well known things" that I and others are pointing out aren't addressed in a 50 page report then the credibility goes out the window. I understand it's a work in progress. I wish Malcolm Bendall, you and the whole team all the best.
PS: I'm a 57 years old graphics professional with a BA in small business management, a diploma in physics and a former motorcycle mechanic. If I can see those problems presented then other professionals will too...

0 #36 Robert Greenyer 2024-06-30 12:03

Yes, all of these things are well known and worth keeping in mind.

Quoting Jon Pall Vilhelmsson:

Quoting Nick Meachen:
Atmospheric Air is mixed with a measured amount of fuel through a carburettors fuel jet to a mixture ratio around stoichiometric for the most efficient and complete burn in the engine. The flow of this air/fuel is regulated by the throttle plate in the carb.
The output of the thunderstorm generators (air and charged plasmoids) is connected to the engine inlet below the carburettor throttle plate through an aluminium spacer?
How is this extra air feed regulated into the engine if it’s not passing through the throttle plate? It is bypassing it.
Furthermore this “extra air” would cause the air fuel ratio to become lean if not accounted for with extra fuel?
What am I missing?

Thanks for pointing that out. That's the point I was looking for

It's no secret that lean burning engines reduce emissions. However it comes at the cost of performance and longevity and lots of other factors. Lean burning engines run hotter for example and that may explain the hot exhaust and low emission not plasmoids 'n stuff! The fact that despite all the information in the report doesn't account for this MAJOR problem with the set up nullifies the test results... Sorry

What is the ratio of the atmospheric air coming in the engine through the air filter and the extra "treated air" with plasmoids and stuff?

A choke is a very rough control on fuel/air ratio. It's only used for cold startup by restricting airflow thus making the fuel/air ratio much richer. Smaller jets inside the carbortor are the actual mechanism for controlling fuel/air ratio. By adding more air through a bypass, after a correct carburator air/fuel mixing, changes the whole dynamic of the engine. You need someone who really understands gasoline combustion engines. In UK alone there are millions of people who understands carborated piston engines. The car mechaninc next door will do.

The chemical formula for gasoline combustion is the following:
2 C8H18 (l) + 25 O2 (g) → 16 CO2 (g) + 18 H2O (g) + Heat
(In real world application the formula is more complex.)

The Carbon (C) in the fuel will either convert to CO2 (Carbon dioxide) or CO (carbon monoxide in a low oxigen burn) or by some miracle change into a different atom structure by low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR).

It the test isn't measuring the CO output then the whole test procedure is nullified. Sorry.

The test should be based around the chemical reaction C8H18 + O2 → CO2 + H2O and explain what happens to the molecules and it's atom structure rather than all the air treatment stuff. That's all interesting and just about everyone wants this to work BUT the setup has BIG problems and someone must point it out. Sorry

Or just shoot the messenger and that solves that problem right? I'll show my self out...

+2 #35 Jon Pall Vilhelmsson 2024-06-30 11:08

Quoting Nick Meachen:

Atmospheric Air is mixed with a measured amount of fuel through a carburettors fuel jet to a mixture ratio around stoichiometric for the most efficient and complete burn in the engine. The flow of this air/fuel is regulated by the throttle plate in the carb.
The output of the thunderstorm generators (air and charged plasmoids) is connected to the engine inlet below the carburettor throttle plate through an aluminium spacer?
How is this extra air feed regulated into the engine if it’s not passing through the throttle plate? It is bypassing it.
Furthermore this “extra air” would cause the air fuel ratio to become lean if not accounted for with extra fuel?
What am I missing?

Thanks for pointing that out. That's the point I was looking for ;-)

;-)

It's no secret that lean burning engines reduce emissions. However it comes at the cost of performance and longevity and lots of other factors. Lean burning engines run hotter for example and that may explain the hot exhaust and low emission not plasmoids 'n stuff! The fact that despite all the information in the report doesn't account for this MAJOR problem with the set up nullifies the test results... Sorry :sad:

:sad:

What is the ratio of the atmospheric air coming in the engine through the air filter and the extra "treated air" with plasmoids and stuff?

A choke is a very rough control on fuel/air ratio. It's only used for cold startup by restricting airflow thus making the fuel/air ratio much richer. Smaller jets inside the carbortor are the actual mechanism for controlling fuel/air ratio. By adding more air through a bypass, after a correct carburator air/fuel mixing, changes the whole dynamic of the engine. You need someone who really understands gasoline combustion engines. In UK alone there are millions of people who understands carborated piston engines. The car mechaninc next door will do. :-?

:-?

The chemical formula for gasoline combustion is the following:
2 C8H18 (l) + 25 O2 (g) → 16 CO2 (g) + 18 H2O (g) + Heat
(In real world application the formula is more complex.)

The Carbon (C) in the fuel will either convert to CO2 (Carbon dioxide) or CO (carbon monoxide in a low oxigen burn) or by some miracle change into a different atom structure by low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR).

It the test isn't measuring the CO output then the whole test procedure is nullified. Sorry. :-x

:-x

The test should be based around the chemical reaction C8H18 + O2 → CO2 + H2O and explain what happens to the molecules and it's atom structure rather than all the air treatment stuff. That's all interesting and just about everyone wants this to work BUT the setup has BIG problems and someone must point it out. Sorry :cry:

:cry:

Or just shoot the messenger and that solves that problem right? I'll show my self out...

0 #34 anthony monty 2024-06-07 02:07

this idea looks a lot like paul pentones geet reactor,
can some one let me know if it originates prior to the geet reactor being published
thanks

0 #33 BoxofTj 2024-05-27 17:35

Has anyone tried putting an ultrasonic medium to aid in the creation of cavitation? Putting a transducer on a stainless steel lattice, or maybe even make a catalyst core like a catalytic converter or DOC/DPF/SCR? I understand it will require a power source, which may or may not defeat the purpose of the design, but sometimes an in-efficiency can have a benefit that outweighs the inefficiency, like a supercharger/tu rbocharger has on power output of an engine.

0 #32 BoxofTj 2024-05-27 17:35

Has anyone tried putting an ultrasonic medium to aid in the creation of cavitation? Putting a transducer on a stainless steel lattice, or maybe even make a catalyst core like a catalytic converter or DOC/DPF/SCR? I understand it will require a power source, which may or may not defeat the purpose of the design, but sometimes an in-efficiency can have a benefit that outweighs the inefficiency, like a supercharger/tu rbocharger has on power output of an engine.

0 #31 MatterMage 2024-05-09 19:34

What are the holes in the smallest sphere for? I'm making a 3d model an looking at 3d printing quotes.

+2 #30 Caleb Kipp 2024-05-06 18:33

Maybe this is redundant, but I couldn't find a 3D model anywhere so I drew based off the PDF. Might have some mistakes but it's very close.

grabcad.com/.../...

+2 #29 Cloxxki 2024-02-09 20:46

youtu.be/.../
Ancient GEET presentation.

For quick context: contrary to the tech in topic, GEET bubbled not the air through water but the air through the fuel itself to get vaporized fuel. Final exhaust was claimed to be void of most pollution. The fuel was said to be much more flexible with this retrofit, people ran then on weird fuels and some mixed in water.

One generator was able to do the work of multiple engines or a really large generator, it was not needed to scale the reactor up. There's probably a lot more other interesting stuff in the presentation. What does apply to tech in topic, remains to be seen.
It sure will be interesting to see what happens when a second generator is hooked up the one and the same reactor, roughly doubling the reactor gas flow and (I guess) increasing the pressure difference on the 4 ends of the reactor, but perhaps not the temperature deltas.

+2 #28 Nathan Ford 2024-01-18 17:47

Hey guys I was wondering if there had been any updates? Keep me posted please...

0 #27 Cloxxki 2023-12-02 15:31

"Yes, the intake air after the retrofit should be warmer. The vortex tube, if nothing else should at least behave as a heat exchanger. So some energy in the form of heat transferred from the exhaust gas to the intake air."

Thanks for responding.
While I agree with myself and you...we do hear from researchers that the final exhaust is colder than expected? This is attributed to LENR, but until we know for sure, we can't say where this occurs. There might be a reality where there is an LENR cooling effect already before the engine block intake.

Google says ideal intake temperature is 50-70ºC for diesel. This may or may not be the same with plasmoids in the mix? There is an opportunity to test what happens with warmer or cooler intake air down the line.

+1 #26 Nykyta Vovk 2023-11-30 02:14

Quoting Cloxxki:

Quoting Nykyta Vovk:
Quoting Cloxxki:
I understand from 3rd hand information that Malmolm's theories point to a need to have the spheres in addition to the tubes.

Have retrofits been tried without the spheres? For the generation of helical flows at a specific angle in my understanding the spheres are not needed. I heard the central sphere would invoke the "zero point", but possible nuclear effects have been observed in the GEET system (vaporized fuel and the concentric inlet&exhaust?) which omitted the helical flows and spheres.
Since the spheres pose a challenge to builders, it seems worthwhile to see what the exhaust gas and temperature delta is with the spheres omitted. Non-helical flow, perhaps with longer tubes seems worth trying to understand the exact effects of these specific build features.

My inner alarm bells went off when it was mentioned that Malmolm had specified an exact angle for the fillet between reactor pipes and spheres, referring to a slope on a specific pyramid in Egypt. I'm a sucker for numerology don't get me wrong, and I've played with that to some very interesting unexpected outcomes. The need for such a fillet angle...until it's proven to be better than what a flow engineer would recommend for optimized flow (maximum or minimum adhesion of laminar flow?), I can't internalize such specification even with the seemingly inventor saying it. Reality may well be simpler than suspected.

One sentence on Malcolm's findings in numbers rhyming in nature: that may well hint more at the fabric of our so-called-reality, than an exact blueprint and geomtry to build a LENR device.

If my scepticism is proven totally out of line, I'll be grateful that something was made more clear and better founded in findings rather than just theory.

Plans are already in place to do "control" testing with a concentric tube. Basically just an S tube with the inner intake tube, tube diameters matching those of the vortex tube diameters. A 3D model drawing is in the experimental section of the writeup. Robert Hutchings has already finished the tube, so this will be implemented likely in the next couple of weeks.

Excellent work!

If modular enough in construction, similarly interesting would be trying unidirectional rather than opposing gas flows. The unidirectional/parallel flow would give individual plasmoids and atoms longer time to interact, but time (and with it, distance) may not actually be factors in the transmutation.
Inlet air temp just prior to combustion would be interesting to measure in both cases and the control.
I assume "we" are feeding hotter air into the engine vs control?

Yes, the intake air after the retrofit should be warmer. The vortex tube, if nothing else should at least behave as a heat exchanger. So some energy in the form of heat transferred from the exhaust gas to the intake air.

0 #25 Cloxxki 2023-11-27 19:35

Quoting Nykyta Vovk:

Quoting Cloxxki:
I understand from 3rd hand information that Malmolm's theories point to a need to have the spheres in addition to the tubes.

Have retrofits been tried without the spheres? For the generation of helical flows at a specific angle in my understanding the spheres are not needed. I heard the central sphere would invoke the "zero point", but possible nuclear effects have been observed in the GEET system (vaporized fuel and the concentric inlet&exhaust?) which omitted the helical flows and spheres.
Since the spheres pose a challenge to builders, it seems worthwhile to see what the exhaust gas and temperature delta is with the spheres omitted. Non-helical flow, perhaps with longer tubes seems worth trying to understand the exact effects of these specific build features.

My inner alarm bells went off when it was mentioned that Malmolm had specified an exact angle for the fillet between reactor pipes and spheres, referring to a slope on a specific pyramid in Egypt. I'm a sucker for numerology don't get me wrong, and I've played with that to some very interesting unexpected outcomes. The need for such a fillet angle...until it's proven to be better than what a flow engineer would recommend for optimized flow (maximum or minimum adhesion of laminar flow?), I can't internalize such specification even with the seemingly inventor saying it. Reality may well be simpler than suspected.

One sentence on Malcolm's findings in numbers rhyming in nature: that may well hint more at the fabric of our so-called-reality, than an exact blueprint and geomtry to build a LENR device.

If my scepticism is proven totally out of line, I'll be grateful that something was made more clear and better founded in findings rather than just theory.

Plans are already in place to do "control" testing with a concentric tube. Basically just an S tube with the inner intake tube, tube diameters matching those of the vortex tube diameters. A 3D model drawing is in the experimental section of the writeup. Robert Hutchings has already finished the tube, so this will be implemented likely in the next couple of weeks.

Excellent work!

If modular enough in construction, similarly interesting would be trying unidirectional rather than opposing gas flows. The unidirectional/ parallel flow would give individual plasmoids and atoms longer time to interact, but time (and with it, distance) may not actually be factors in the transmutation.
Inlet air temp just prior to combustion would be interesting to measure in both cases and the control.
I assume "we" are feeding hotter air into the engine vs control?

0 #24 Caleb 2023-11-17 03:30

I believe the Discord link has expired can I get a new one? And does anyone know what happened to The Malcolm Bendall Lectures, have they been taken down?

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