Live Run on the Dual Cell [UPDATE#1 - New Video and commentary]
We just started current through the active wires. We are now in the live test phase with both cells in the vertical apparatus simultaneously. Cross your fingers for the human race.
And you can watch the live data update every 5 minutes and see it plotted against the calibration curve using this spreadsheet in OpenOffice or LibreOffice (both open source and free downloads).
Update: New Video of Celani answering questions about his cell at the ICCF17 Conference.
Some useful insights and tidbits. Specifically about the wires special structures absorbing all gasses - maybe the wire nano structure gets filled with He during calibrations making it more difficult for the wire to absorb Hydrogen and so making it less able to produce excess heat.
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1. The current causes Joule heating, which affects the reaction.
2. The current results in loading of the hydrogen, causing an increased density of hydrogen per metal atom.
3. The current causes hydrogen to move through the substrate, resulting in an increased *flux* of hydrogen.
Related to current, there are these ideas about resistance:
4. Resistance decreases with the loading of hydrogen in a solid phase system such as the Celani wire.
5. Resistance increases when the high loading of deuterium, e.g., in a palladium substrate, causes it to change phase from alpha to beta, which is less electrically conductive.
See Storms's book on LENR for additional details.
Maybe allow the data to modify the pitch of a carrier wave, that should work.
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(EDIT: I noticed too late that one of them has a frequency rate set to 8000 Hz rather than 4000 Hz as I intended to do)
It takes a too much time doing this manually, but it's feasible.
Anyway, at this sample rate I doubt there's much to be seen.
Also, input data here is not really wave-like (unlike seismometer traces, for example) so maybe it's not the best candidate for this sort of conversion.
That sir is not a bad idea.
Thanks, means a lot!
@Ecco
When we have the triggering mini-project under Collaborate - please participate and note these ideas there. With regard to the square pulse - that is what I meant, within the limits of the PSU controller. Ultimately we would like full waveform control, PWM and pulse interval control. We are aware that other researchers say it is the leading edge of a change that is important - it will be interesting to see...
Inputting a square DC wave into the active wire should be interesting to try too (not sure if this is the pulsing you were referring about).
We have decided to keep these cells running for several weeks ideally over the kickstarter and really play with them in the ways you have described and more.
Transient states seam to trigger these effects and we can get the active wire, which is on a programmable PSU to do pretty much anything we want. The passive wire is on a manual supply right now.
Currently we are doing an active wire fine power drop test keeping the passive wire constant. This is producing some interesting data, some of which was discussed earlier - In the last few hours, a 1W drop over 2 hours on active wire saw PXs and T_Macor (cell 1.1) remain constant (with noise) or even rising over this time and the subsequent hour and a half.
So we may do this fine up down for a while, and then maybe both moving in opposite directions. Since power applied to the active wire should raise its local temperature higher than passive heating, maybe a drop on the passive of 2W accompanied by or followed by a 0.5W rise or so on the active wire might show something interesting.
How about putting 45W into active wire say and then for 10s pulsing 60W into it?
This is the sort of fun you can have when you have a stable set-up. Imagine that when we have got a reliable experiment there were 100s of people doing this kind of work and reporting back useful findings for others to explore. That is when this science will accelerate and that is the point of the MFMP.
Or attempting instead to temporarily increase significantly power at the heater wire in relatively big steps, up to the limits of the wire itself (should be around 100 Watts) and the glass tube?
If excess power is supposed to increase exponentially with heat, then at some point the internal temperature readings should show that, even if the P_xs formula hasn't been calibrated for high power usage.
The FLIR cannot see into the cell because of the Glass.
Exact wire temp is something we would like to have.
do you have any idea of the internal wire temp of the active wire during the run?
I found some FLIR photos done during the calibration runs, but no
temp.
BR Dieter
About 9 hours ago, the power was lowered on the active wire in cell 1.1 - but the T_Macor temperature went UP - less power - more heat, more excess. the biggest rise being the break from steady state.
Thanks for your kind words, we owe a debt of gratitude to those that have got us to the point where we can see something interesting with just a few months of experience. We hope that with the communities help and perseverance we can deliver a good repeatable experiment that a novice could explore the effect inside a few days. Then the pace of development will rapidly advance.
@Andrew and Jeff
Please keep looking into this and when we launch the triggering mini-project, please consider working on this. People do not have to be experts to do groundwork and even fairly deep review of techniques reported by others - indeed, doing this kind of groundwork is how people become experts!
@Daniel Maris
These experiments take a long time, in the EU cell it took over 3 days to load the highly active 350 Layer wires and then things started happening. 5 - 8W over 48W for 48 hours. These wires are far less active with just 14L and 2L - but more robust from structural and electrical failure - like de-lamination and sintering. Science takes time to find a good, reliable, affordable experiment.
Given that other types of energy from the atom have not achieved long periods of excess heat in 50 years and Pons and Fleischmann took many months and even Celani's more recent tests needed to run for weeks we are cautiously optimistic that we are finding our way in this uncharted exploration.
Often these experiments go up and down a lot before showing something interesting. We believe the wires are now pretty much loaded with something. We suspect that He may be filling the nano sponge and preventing Hydrogen from getting in and so we will have to come up with a calibration method that does not require the active wires to be put into He at loading temperature ranges.
We feel that a reasonable number of active layers (say 200+) in a cell configured to reach high temperatures with very low input power will be very interesting to watch and you can see we are working towards that.
With critical analysis and help from the crowd - we are making good progress.
When I was checking out the data, it seemed that as often as not it was getting a negative output as a positive one and the positive one didn't seem v. large.
Has this run been a success or not? No one seems to be discussing this rather important fact for some weird reason.
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