Hello folks,

You may or may not be familiar with Brillouin Energy. For a while the information materials were not available on their site. The materials are now available. Godes has a good hypothesis for how LENR reactions may be working. His materials are a good read and the one animation is interesting.

Of course, you could argue the company is astro-turfing a scam but I don't think so. They have a ongoing relationship with SRI. Supposedly they will have a commercial reactor working by April 2013. Godes did present a paper at ICCF-17.


www.brillouinenergy.com

www.brillouinenergy.com/?page=cecr_vid

www.brillouinenergy.com/?page=tech_summary

www.brillouinenergy.com/docs.php?doc=energy_hypothesis

Brillouin ICCF-17 paper:

newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/I...on-Capture-Paper.pdf

Hi there,

We did see the presentation at ICCF-17 and we have had on QuantumHeat.org from the very first a statement that we would like to verify their technology. Maybe this will come to pass - but I feel they have their own path to commercialisation that does not necessitate our interaction.

Knowing explicitly how this field can be challenging to investigate and develop, we are more cautious about raising expectations about a specific deadlines - all we do is plough on and expand. We do know however that we would not have come this far, this fast without the help of the people taking an interest in our endeavour and the kind donations made.

Bob

I think it may be possible for you to try to incorporate or combine some of Godes' techniques into the Celani and other cell replications. Specifically, I would look into generating high frequency/high voltage AC pulses to send down the Celani wire. Godes notes that the level of hydrogen loading does not seem to need to be as high.

A caveat would be that I don't know that this has been tried in a gas loaded cell, but it may be worthwhile to attempt this.

The difficulty with this would be measuring power input as this would certainly be more difficult than measuring the DC power input. Since you have the cells, and given the claimed excess heat levels achievable with this method (20-100%), can't hurt to try.

It is intended that triggering methods form part of post - initial replication work and there will be "Collaborate" mini-projects initiated to encourage people to help develop the hardware necessary.

Dear all,

The aspect of Brillouin results that I would like to see replicated and tightened up is the possibility of radiatively or inductively coupled high power high frequency pulses superimposed on low-level thermocouple outputs being rectified by DC amplifier circuitry and so generating a false observed temperature offset proportional to the amplitude of the AC pulses.

Anyone who has worked with such setups knows this is very likely.

This is exactly consistent with the observed frequency dependence of results with pulses, since RF pickup and rectification would likely be subject to LC resonances from parasitics in the circuit.

It is exactly consistent with the observed temperature having fast dependence on the presence or absence of pulses.

It would not be difficult for Brillouin to test for this effect and rule it out: so I'm hoping they will do that. Till they do it would remain the first loophole to close in any replication experiment.

It would also need to be checked very carefully in any other replication using high frequency stimulus pulses.

Best wishes, Tom

Yes, from experiments that I have conducted with electrolysis using HFAC there is definitely a lot of LC induction taking place in the temperature data when the HFAC is on. So much so, that I take temperature measurements when the HFAC is off. With symmetrical HFAC some of the noise is removed by averaging, but if Brillouin is using asymmetrical HFAC, a consistent bias may be introduced into the temp readings.

If this stuff was easy - everyone would be doing it - well, hopefully we can make it easy!

B

Yes. Also don't ignore the possibility of rectification which will give Dc component from even symmetrical waveforms (though I agree asymmetric will have larger effect).

As you say all that is needed is to measure temp after T seconds gap in HF stimulus where T is chosen to be some large enough number of electrical time constants in the DC amp circuitry, but smaller than the thermal time constant. Shound be possible.

Brillouin do not state in their paper that they do this (or at least I have not seen such a statement).

Best wishes, Tom

bob wrote:
I was impressed with the Celani replication work so far. The great merit of open investigation is that anyone is free to think of holes in [protocols and ways to test them. Even better than peer review - where possible holes are found after the experiment but cannot be tested.